I would love to carry my gun without concealment from time to time. The idea of not having to constantly worry about printing or revealing my pistol altogether would be gone, and I could relax a bit.
Texas is one of very few states that flat do not allow open carry, even if you have a license to carry a concealed handgun. There's a movement in the gunnie world right now to change that, and I hope it goes well.
You see, since 1995 when licensed carry of concealed handguns first came about, citizens who carried firearms for safety were (and to this day, still are) a political minority. They were not a silent minority by any means, but certainly retaining a bit of anonymity since the guns being carried were concealed. Since then, the number of ordinary folks carrying guns has increased exponentially (and has included me since 09/07).
Well, as it turns out, open carry has been legal in most states for years, with many of those states allowing OC without having to have a carry permit. Strangely, open carry has not enjoyed the same expansion that concealed carry has. In fact, at a glance it seems quite the opposite. Most folks who live in states that allow open carry don't even know it. And of those that do, many choose not to for fear of being unlawfully harassed by the very officers sworn to uphold the law.
I was reading a post over at Sebastian's place concerning the thoughts of folks over a woman in Lebanon, PA who open carried at a kids' soccer game and caught hell for it, and got to thinking about the idea of open carry. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Unfortunately for Mrs. Hain, it was preventable.
I remember what the coach that taught my Driver's Ed. course in high school used to say about driving at night. He said, "Don't overdrive your headlights!" Because your headlights only provide you with so much distance of viewable road at night, it is wise to slow down as an adjustment to the lower visibility. I'm all for open carry, and I do believe that, with enough people being seen with a sidearm, eventually folks will get used to it.
But don't overdrive your headlights.
Moving forward with an open carry movement is going to take a long time. There's going to have to be a considerable period of adjustment for the average John/Jane Q. Public to not be bothered by the sight of a gun unaccompanied by a badge (or at least not bothered enough to freak out about it).
Eventually, with enough exposure, people can get used to just about anything. But things go pear-shaped for your cause when you start force-feeding people with it; even if it you don't force-feed them intentionally. It's no different than gay pride parades.
(I can hear it now. "OH SHIT. He's going THERE...")
Yup. You read right. Gay pride parades are nothing more that a chance for homosexual men and women to force-feed their gayness on you. They aren't trying to convert you or anything, but they want the shock-value of a whole slew of homosexuals with signs and stickers and shirts chanting, "We're here! We're queer! Get used to it!"
I hate to say it (as do most gun-owners), but open-carrying to a kids' soccer game is going to come across as trying to push a political agenda no differently. Regardless of the fact that she'd done it before. Like Sebastian said in his own comments section:
This isn’t gay people getting married, this is this guy. Dose he have a right to do that in a free society? Absolutely. Will I protest if the police haul him off to prison? Yes. But is he a good public face for the gay rights movement? Absolutely not. (Emphasis mine)
I'm not suggesting that we cower down and only OC in restaraunts where OC is encouraged on OC night every third Thursday of the month. I'm also not suggesting or condoning that gun owners distance themselves from this incident. The fact is, Mrs. Hain was operating completely within the bounds of the law. She was exercising her right, as recognized by Pennsylvania law, and we as gun owners should support her in having her license to carry concealed returned to her. If she's smart, she will have learned her lesson and will be more selective about how she carries in public. If not, she's most likely one of these "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!1!!ONE!" types and will screw it up for herself entirely.
Like I said, I'm all for open carry. I hope that Texas passes legislation that allows her citizens to openly carry firearms, and I would look forward to that every third Thursday thing.
As a start.
We'll get to soccer games in a few years. Don't overdrive the headlights!
tweaker
I prefer concealed carry. It falls under the category of "Urban Camoflage" for me. I also don't want to be accosted by critters with an attitude who think, "Aw, that old fat woman cain't keep ahold of that pistol. I'll just knock her down and steal it."
ReplyDeleteBesides, I've NEVER been made for printing. Course that's b/c I AM a silver-haired, 53 y.o. fat woman. NO one, except JPG, ever calls me on printing. I think it's because A) no one expects a woman to carry
and
B) Most men, and most LEO's and bad guys are men, don't look at Fat Women's bodies.
So I consider myself good to go, even if my blouse is a little too sheer, or tight over my pistol. I usuallu have an OUTER cover garment, too. But when I don't I still don't worry.
Speaker,
ReplyDeleteI can also see the other side of carrying at soccer games. These are the people she's been involved with, sometimes for months or years, right?
If they know her, then shouldn't the realization be "oh, I didn't know she carried a gun, she's just like me".
I'll admit it's hard to get over that "ohmygoditsagunatasoccergame", "why does she NEED to carry here?" mindset, but if we don't do it there, then where?
Carrying out in public may get others used to the idea, but it is easier for strangers to stereotype open carriers as extremist, it's much harder to do so with the person in charge of snacks?
I can understand the need to start slowly in a state that just expanded the law, but PA has been open carry for a very long time.
I think had the LEOs reactions been closer to what the law says it should have been, it would have been a great teaching opportunity.
I prefer concealed carry when possible because the unknown factor helps society as a whole.
ReplyDeleteBut sometimes it's inconvenient or impractical to conceal. I'd really like the option to open carry for the exceptions when concealment just won't work.
Also, allowing open carry would eliminate the inadvertent printing/exposure problems we have today with concealed carry.
If I bend over at a store, and someone sees my gun, or the print on my shirt, I'd like to not get arrested for it.
She was exercising her right, as recognized by Pennsylvania law, and we as gun owners should support her in having her license to carry concealed returned to her.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see this disclaimer, but I'm not sure I believe it given what comes next.
If she's smart, she will have learned her lesson and will be more selective about how she carries in public. If not, she's most likely one of these "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!1!!ONE!" types and will screw it up for herself entirely.
I have open carried (legally) in Oregon, and will again. Rural Oregon, which is a different scenario than a Pennsylvania soccer game, I realize. Nevertheless, I read something like this and I can't help but think that if I were ever the center of a complaint, that rather than pro-2A writers defending that and using it as a teachable moment for fencesitters, that I would be thrown under the bus for some reason. Either for being insufficiently sensitive to non-gun owners, or somebody would dig up that I had a misdeamonor conviction in my youth. Any blotch at all seems like a reason for people to prove how reasonable they are by distancing themselves from someone who's right in principle. Well, while you keep waiting for the perfect case, the opposing force keeps racking up precedents.
We'll get to soccer games in a few years. Don't overdrive the headlights!
Alright, what are the circumstances where soccer games will be acceptable? How do we get there, how will you know when its time, and how will Meleanie Hain know it? Because, if our side had the presence of mind to point out that this was legal, moral and responsible, I'm not sure it couldn't have been a victory in the present.
Holly - Most cases I prefer concealed as well. While I'd like the option to OC, I also like the idea that being made (mainly printing) wouldn't be a misdemeanor that would cost me my CHL for five years.
ReplyDeleteBob S - Don't get me wrong, I agree with your views. It seems wrong that because a couple of whiny (likely liberals:) soccer moms complained, everyone backs away and says, "She's not with me!" And bonus points to you for pointing out that the LEO in this case has an ass for a head.
Alan - That's exactly what I mean when I say that I'm for OC. I'd like the choice. You know, the Second Amendment does say keep and bear arms, right?;)
Saladman - I made those comments in that order for a reason. Gun-owners, particularly those that carry, should be absolutely ashamed for distancing themselves from Mrs. Hain for her actions. I sincerely hope you can believe me when I say that.
The following comment was there for a reason, too, however. I don't know Mrs. Hain from Adam. I don't know what type of person she is. If she's level-headed, she'll give honest consideration to the fact that she's got the deck fairly well stacked against her before she OC's at the soccer game again. These sort of stands, while honorable and commendable in my book, are not without their consequences. In this case, it could very well directly affect her child. On the other hand, if she gets her license back and heads right back to the soccer fields to OC some more, then odds are good that she's the type to run into a courtroom shouting "Shall Not Be Infringed!", which all but guarantees a loss.
tweaker
An amusing side effect is that by pulling her permit, Sheriff Deleo is forcing her to open carry wherever she goes. Unfortuantely I beleive a permit is required to carry in a vehical (in Pennsylvania), but it's pretty likely she'll be getting her permit back when her appeal is heard in a few weeks.
ReplyDeleteAlso, it's not about "shall not be infringed," it's about an authortarian ****bag enforcing personal bigotry as if it were law even though the law itself is quite clear.
I've had people at a children's soccer game get uncomfortable around my puppy, so it's not just guns. I think its just a slice of the general public thinking the government is there to fix anything they don't like.
ReplyDeleteIt's society's attitude around 'different' people. A while ago it was a different color (Black). More recently its been a different religion (Islam). Now it seems to be bleeding over into a different type of government (Free).
Someday they will be glad to have guns at soccer games, but that day's not here yet.